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Finale
Mar 27, 2013 19:47:49 GMT -5
Post by Host on Mar 27, 2013 19:47:49 GMT -5
Jessica is fucked if she doesn't win immunity.
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Finale
Mar 27, 2013 19:48:53 GMT -5
Post by Host on Mar 27, 2013 19:48:53 GMT -5
1. Perry's secret costs 250 dollars less than the secret that someone is a hermaphrodite. 2. Jessica's secret costs 250 dollars more than the secret that Beau is selling. 3. Neither the secret Hannah is selling nor the $1500 secret is the secret about masturbating with pinecones. 4. Vincent's secret was sold by Quincy. 5. The secret Hannah is selling is that someone does cocaine. 6. The secret Quincy is selling is about someone eating snot. 7. Of the secret Stephenie is selling and Yvette's secret, one costs $1000 and the other is that someone masturbates with pinecones. 8. Yvette's secret is either being sold by Hannah or costs $750. 9. The secret about being a hermaphrodite costs less than Yvette's secret.
If you do Jessica, remove clue #6.
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Finale
Mar 27, 2013 20:08:19 GMT -5
Post by Host on Mar 27, 2013 20:08:19 GMT -5
So Vincent/Perry need Luca to vote Jessica out, obviously.
However, if Luca does vote out Jess- he has to win immunity at the Final 4. Jessica has Yvette, and Luca has Vincent so a tie at the Final 4 is inevitable at this point. If Luca sides with Vincent to vote out Jessica this round, next round Perry/Yvette come together to vote Luca...and Vincent could possibly follow suit. So much at stake right now. If it's a Perry/Vincent/Yvette Final 3...firstly lol...secondly I don't know who would win out of Perry/Yvette really.
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Finale
Mar 27, 2013 21:13:48 GMT -5
Post by john on Mar 27, 2013 21:13:48 GMT -5
So at this point is Yvette a goat? From the little I've read about her she is getting groomed to be slaughtered by the Jury to make the others look good.
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Finale
Mar 27, 2013 22:46:42 GMT -5
Post by Host on Mar 27, 2013 22:46:42 GMT -5
I think people are going to mistake her for a goat. Honestly, if Luca/Jessica make the final 3- one of them will win. However, in a situation where Perry/Vincent/Yvette make the final 3 (they all know they're goats)- Yvette would probably win.
Yvette could also win if people find Jessica to be overrated.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 3:58:59 GMT -5
Post by Emily on Mar 28, 2013 3:58:59 GMT -5
Tess:
All I know is that this vote was supposed to be me Yvette Jessica voting Vincent Perry voting Jessica Luca and Vincent voting me After that I'd have tried to team up with luca and perry to give Jessica the boot. My ideal f3 was other Yvette am perry for obv reasons.
Lol this was exactly why Tess had to go in all of their minds I think, they figured it by now.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 4:12:17 GMT -5
Post by Emily on Mar 28, 2013 4:12:17 GMT -5
Why would Jessica need immunity? Isn't Perry gonna be the next boot?
I think in Yvette's mind it's Jessica/Luca/Yvette final 3 and she's not gonna turn on Jessica. Luca seems to be handing the game to Jessica anyway (though I can see him beating her because of a biased jury). I agree that in Yvette's final 3, she doesn't have much of a chance to win. IMO she would be the most deserving, but it's all about perception.
My ranking in terms of gameplay would be 1. Yvette [has made the most connections, has been extremely committed, in ALL possible merge scenarios she would have made it very far, even with a Napa domination and that's NOT because she's a goat IMO but because she is playing a great game. Her ties with Tess and Luca were two of the most crucial ties in this merge. I also think she's VERY clever in her conversations, love that we get to see them.] 2. Jessica [had to overcome a lot, is partly here due to moves made by others but that's also one of the benefits of her social game with Tess and Yvette so in a way she did that herself] 3. Luca [managed to get out of a miserable position; he claims to have made a great move by getting Tess out but I think that was just a very obvious thing to do for him and others? He did play a great social game with the right people in Cascade though and has the best jury management.] 4. Vincent/Perry [they screwed themselves over too many times and all of their moves FAIL, they've never really been the ones who called any shots and do not deserve Final 5. I do enjoy watching Perry and his clumsy moves and confessionals though lol.]
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 7:32:28 GMT -5
Post by Host on Mar 28, 2013 7:32:28 GMT -5
I don't see how Yvette is a good player if she's going to the Final 3 with people she knows can beat her.
Yvette/Jessica will vote Perry- but I'm not sure that Vincent will. It seems more likely that once the challenge is over, a move will be made.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 8:07:58 GMT -5
Post by Emily on Mar 28, 2013 8:07:58 GMT -5
Well Yvette going with them is pretty much the same as me going with Henry over like Ingrid and Murphy, isn't it? Did that make me "not a good player"? I think I still played a great game, and so did Yvette. That the jury won't hand her the win doesn't mean she wasn't a key player who has played the best game on paper.
Maybe she could have played an even better game by taking two duds (just like I could have played a better game by making sure I'd end up in the finals with duds) but that doesn't mean Yvette's gameplay is inferior to Jessica's or Luca's.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 12:06:40 GMT -5
Post by ellen on Mar 28, 2013 12:06:40 GMT -5
I agree that Yvette has played a wonderful, probably underrated game, however she doesn't seem to be concerned about actually winning, which I think is a big deal when sizing up the players. She acknowledges that she might be perceived as a follower but she doesn't really present a proposal for how she plans to change that perception of herself.
I feel like Jessica's game is overrated since the merge (maybe even before the merge;) she had little, if anything, to do with Napa's self destructing. I'd honestly be much more impressed with her longevity if she'd been instrumental in planting seeds and dividing the other tribe, but she obviously wasn't. Napa was doomed from the start.
Tess for instance took out players like Beau and Gloria who could have been useful to her own plans in the endgame, in favor of keeping in wildcards like Perry and Vincent, who, no matter what anyone says, can at least see the benefit in voting along tribal lines up to a certain point. That's just a simple lack of understanding of the game on Tess' part in my opinion... she limited her options and made herself a target, allowing Jessica to slip by... Jessica had nothing to do with Tess eliminating options for herself (if anything that was Yvette's genuine desire to work with Tess) but she (Jessica) did benefit from it.
Quincy taking at rock for Hannah and Hannah voting out Nick for no reason other than to make a move and get revenge for Dallas/Rosemary are two other great examples of Jessica surviving because of the errors in judgment on the part of her competition, and not really because of her own savvy.
I don't think for one second that Jessica was the architect behind any of that transpiring.
But ultimately the jury's perception of her is what counts, and she has a huge opportunity to win the game at this point. I don't think she's played a bad game, but she hasn't played the kind of game that I think she's capable of playing by any means.
At this point I'd like to see Luca or Perry win.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 12:30:51 GMT -5
Post by Host on Mar 28, 2013 12:30:51 GMT -5
I think Luca and Perry would be better winners than Jessica, definitely. Perry was UTR when he needed to be and proactive when he needed to be- however, people just don't respect him enough. Luca is definitely the most deserving of the win- and I think if I had to call a winner right now it'd be him.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 12:51:06 GMT -5
Post by michael on Mar 28, 2013 12:51:06 GMT -5
To give insight into yvette, she's really big on loyalty. if she's in the FTC she always brings up being loyal. It's her fatal flaw. She'll either get far with who she likes/loyal to, or she won't. I've played 3 games with her. She's not a bad player, just extremely loyal.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 13:08:20 GMT -5
Post by ellen on Mar 28, 2013 13:08:20 GMT -5
I've played with Yvette before and she is a very sweet lady. I don't think there's any problem with being a loyal bear... it's cute. <3
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 13:30:30 GMT -5
Post by No one on Mar 28, 2013 13:30:30 GMT -5
If Perry wins Annie is turning straight for him because they both started very UTR and ended up bigger players than expected.
If he loses, though, he can keep his dick to himself and Annie is going for Yvette's and Jessica's juicy clits.
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Finale
Mar 28, 2013 14:22:33 GMT -5
Post by Emily on Mar 28, 2013 14:22:33 GMT -5
To give insight into yvette, she's really big on loyalty. if she's in the FTC she always brings up being loyal. It's her fatal flaw. She'll either get far with who she likes/loyal to, or she won't. I've played 3 games with her. She's not a bad player, just extremely loyal. I think it's her strength, especially in this game. She stayed loyal to the right people, even when they are seen as the ones calling the shots. Jessica seems to get credit, but Yvette doesn't. They stuck together the whole time and we just established that Jessica didn't do much herself to get here (I don't really agree as she did just enough to keep her alliances [she had several] together while not coming off as a super threat - I conjecture that had she played harder she might have been booted for being too much of a threat). Anyway, how I see it, Yvette played a HUGE role in Tess sticking with Cascade. She did major damage control after the Hannah vote (if I remember correctly) and she was one of the few, if not the only player Tess was never going to turn on from what I've seen. She used her connections really well, but stayed loyal to Jessica which will now bring her to the Final 3. While that is not directly a (big) move that will be rewarded at the end, I think it's great gameplay. She doesn't need to step out of Jessica's shadow because they simply have the wrong perception of her.
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