I gotta be honest. I would upset also if someone I had never spoken to told me that I should be playing the game differently than I am. Since they wouldn't know how I was playing the game. I wouldn't fly off the handle about it like she did but I would feel like it was condescending
I'm not saying it wasn't condescending. But I always felt like when you're on your way out, you're allowed to say anything and you've become untouchable. Cause come on, it'd be dumb to insult a juror, wouldn't it?
I'm guessing Yvette will get voted off this round, which is unfortunate.
Perry is the leading candidate for my vote right now, and Yvette might also have a shot.
Luca, on the other hand, has no chance at my vote. His remember the fallen speeches seemed pretty fake to me, especially mine, where he tried sucking up using our personal connection. Well, gee, it's great that we both like Yellowcard, but that didn't exactly stop him from lying to my face and voting me out. If you're gonna play a coldhearted, backstabbing strategy, then don't bother masking it with hearts and rainbows after the fact.
Same deal with Vincent. The guy made no moves at all throughout the game, except to tag along with whatever else was happening. Perry and Yvette at least took charge when the circumstances demanded it, but Vincent hasn't done anything.
I'm not sure I understand your point about Luca. By your logic, one can EITHER be cutthroat and backstabbing OR personable and nice. That's a flawed reasoning in my opinion and Luca is EXACTLY the counter-example.
See, the deadliest players are usually those who are able to master the social and strategic game. And that's what Luca did, because that's who he is. From the beginning, he's been a very nice and joyful guy. Why would that change because he had to backstab some players along the way? It seems to me as this is the real Luca, his real personality.
He's someone who's able to make many relationships, and easily, but who's also here to play the game. He can't be ONE or THE OTHER like you want, Jessica. And, as a note, I'm surprised you are the one who says that because you seem to be the same kind of player: deadly social butterfly.
My point is that I feel like it's completely fake to start talking like he seriously treasured our friendship and all of this stuff, when in reality that friendship obviously didn't mean enough for him to be loyal to me, or even to tell me that I was leaving. I'm okay with the fact that made that decision, but not with the fact that he continually talks about how he feels so bad about it and how our relationship meant so much to him. If he actually felt that way, he wouldn't have betrayed me, or at least he would have been honest with me. Heck, I was more honest with Beau than Luca was with me.
So, in my opinion, his actions simply don't line up with his words. If he had said, "Jess, you were great, but I wanted to win, and there's no way I could have done that with you in the game," that would have been consistent, but to give me a song and dance about how it was this horrible terrible thing just comes across as disingenuous. Nobody forced him to do that, it was his own choice, and if he had voted for Perry I'd have stayed. He made the decision he made because he's selfish, and he wants to win. I'd have made the same choice in his situation, but the difference is that I wouldn't have pretended I was doing anything different.
It's hard for me to understand where you're coming from. I think Luca voting for you is a classic ORG/Survivor event.
It's the very hard choice between friendship and winning. It was in his best interest to eliminate you and I bet it must have been soooo hard for him to do so.I don't know, it just doesn't seem that crazy to me to see someone who made a close bond with another player and who has been put in a position to eliminate them. Just like when good friends turn on each other in these games.
As hard as it can be, you must seperate these two components and that's what I think Luca is doing - which is why he's played such a magnifcient game.
Well, Quincy, I don't separate those two things. To me a friend is someone who's loyal. If the relationship means more than the game, then it's a friendship. If it doesn't, then it isn't really a friendship, and there's no point in pretending that it is.
Quite frankly, I don't need "friends" who turn on me. There's absolutely no value in that kind of relationship, for the same reason that there's no value in a parachute that opens perfectly when you're on the ground but not when you're up in the air. If it's not there when you need it, there's no point in having it at all. And by the same token, I don't bother calling myself someone's friend if I'm willing to turn on them, because to me, that's not what friendship is.
Again, I'm not saying that Luca couldn't or shouldn't have done what he did. What I'm saying is that he shouldn't classify our relationship as anything special, because his actions clearly demonstrate that it wasn't. If he wanted to separate friendship and game, fine, but then he shouldn't bother trying to bring the friendship up again.
Good point. While I don't think Yvette handled that properly, I do think she's less full of it than Luca.
I can't put words in her mouth, but from what I understand of what went on there, Yvette's betrayal of you was due to her finding out that you and Perry were working together, and feeling like you had already betrayed her. In that case, the friendship was, in a sense, already broken. I don't think for a second that if Yvette had had perfect reason to trust you that she would have put your name down, ever. Luca's betrayal was predicated on him wanting to win. There's a big difference in motivation between self-preservation (giving payback to an ally that appears to be backstabbing you) and selfishness (booting an ally who's done you no wrong because you don't think you can beat them). Yvette may have done the former on a few occasions, but I don't think that she ever did the latter.
I view friendships a bit differently in Survivor. I feel I made friends with people I wasn't going to see in the FTC. I did feel that Tess betrayed our final three deal before we did, but I never felt like Tess betrayed or friendship. I still treasure the friendship we had in the game!
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Yeah I understand your point. I feel like Yvette was such a big player pre-merge and she still feels that way when, from what I've witnessed, she became a VERY tangential player post-merge - something we objectively need to evaluate as a whole and not REALLY take her computer problems into consideration.
I mean, yes, it was a mistake on my part to not talk to her earlier. But we're not judging ME here. It was a mistake on her part as well. When I was in the chat, talking to most people on a daily basis and she wasn't there, THAT's a bad social game. And she should have found a way to contact me, as she knew she was the one with the problem.
She just pisses me off. If she makes the F3, I COULD have voted for her if I had learned important information about her game. But she showed me incompetent strategy, deficient social game, and a bad physical game.
I really can't respect her.
Before my computer issues, you were never in chat when I was. I was in there a lot. Sometimes I sat in there all damn day long and only Tess & Steph would be in there or no one. And YOU never contacted me. So really this is hypocrisy at it's best my dear lmfao You were absolutely invisible to me. I had no idea who you were or what you did or anything. I've had a PW tell me you were one of her faves, but she also said I was as well. So obviously we both made the mistake here not just me. I take responsibility for my side of the problem, but you just tried to pin the whole problem on me and really, you waited until AFTER the vote tied to contact me, what kind of social game was THAT? Everyone else talked to me in PM daily. As for strategy, you'll never know until the boards open up because again, you never talked to me lol You have no clue what my strategy was. As for being Jessica's sheep, well that's your opinion. She was my #1 best friend from day one before the tribes were even made. Should I call you Beau's sheep for saving him No, it's called loyalty dude. Don't fault others for the things you do. Just because I didn't side with you doesn't mean i was a sheep or had "incompetent" strategy.
Yvette is a pathetic useless bitch. How dumb of her to insulte me in public that way? The fact that Jessica controlled the game is a known fact. I really am happy to see Perry wanting to make a move for his OWN game. Who cares if you're a good ally if you all you are worth is a vote?
And insulting me, and my game, is sad. Just before I was eliminated, I PMed Yvette for the first time, and that's what she did - trash my gameplay. I know my game had flaws, but that shows me what a dumb person she is. THAT's her strategic/social skills??? And talking abiut socializing as if she KNEW who socialized and who didn't infuriates me. Her computer problems isolated her from most of the social game. She basically had no idea who the fuck was or wasn't sociable. That was her strategic place as well - the girl who's never there, that you PM to vote and hope she does so the wa you hope. It must have changed since but still. She upsets me greatly, and I feel like I'm the only one who feels that way.
You trashed my game play first, I was to what? Sit there and take it? Too fucking bad, get over it. I got pm's from people bitching about you and I was letting Perry know not to worry about your shit or Beau's shit that you said on the way out the door, he played a great game. I know exactly who was social and who wasn't lol And the reason you might be the only one that felt that way is because I talked and socialized with everyone. lol You talk about me not knowing anything and yet every post you've made has been made on ASSumptions dude. Get over it.
Just for the record Yvette, we were NEVER on a tribe together since after the merge and that's when your computer problems started - and you should note that I arrived one day later because of Purgatory. So don't even try to say it's MY fault because I was in chat a lot. You weren't AT ALL.
I'm not saying I didn't make a social mistake with you. Of course I should have talked to you! But if I were in YOUR spot, I'd have made double the efforts to be sociable as I knew my social game had flaws that I couldn't really do anything about.
And you really get things out of your ass, don't you? I NEVER said you should have eliminated Jessica - in fact, I think it would have been a stupid decision on your part and I'm glad to see you voted against me, as a player.
But I still think that what you showed me was strategic and social incompetence. Sorry about that.
Anyway, I really feel like we're making a big deal out of such a little thing. The spotlight should be on the 3 remaining players, and this FTC.
.I constantly sent her PMs to learn what she was all about, and she kept voting against me...so I really cant respect anything she says....
lol can't respect anything I say because I voted for you? THIS IS WHY I RANTED AT YOU AND QUINCY WHEN YOU BOTH LEFT!!! I was more mad at Quincy because of his self righteousness in the pm before he left, and his ASSumptions, but you were both pissy because I wasn't flipping on my allies to vote with you!!!!