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Post by beau on Mar 25, 2013 17:20:46 GMT -5
Quincy...I just stated my opinion, you're right I'm eliminated, but still have a say in who wins...not sure how that makes me holier-than-thou.
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Post by quincy on Mar 25, 2013 19:40:02 GMT -5
1. Who do you think has played the best game of the 7 remaining? I don't see how anybody could actually NOT say Jessica. She's been a dominant underdog, who made strategic prowesses, and key social moves. She's been making her way slowly but surely into this end-game with her army of minions who will fall on their swords for her (at least, that was how I perceived it when I was eliminated - I don't know how things have changed since)
I mean, playing UTR has its advantages, but I will find it hard to vote for any of Perry/Yvette/Vincent/Wyatt if there are strong, dominant players sitting next to them.
2. Who do you think played the best game of the jurors? I would say Stephenie as well. I do think she was on her way to win and that's the reason why I used the idol on her. Right now, I'd actually love for her to still be in this so I could root for her. But yeah, Stephenie was playing a calculative, sneaky game, in the most positive way possible. I think she was playing a good social and strategic game, not too in-your-face, but not too UTR either.
3. Is there anyone left who you think is underrated? Overrated? Hmmm judging by Hannah's comment, I think Yvette is so fucking overrated. From what I know,, she has done NOTHING since the merge but vote the way Jessica tells her to vote (and even THAT didn't always work). I mean, sorry her computer didn't work? But how is that MY problem??? I won't reward someone because she did ok in spite of it. I'll reward someone who played the best all around game. And that is not her.
Also, I don't know Perry very well. has it been established he's just a genius troll? Cause if so, I might seriously consider voting for him if he were to make the F3.
4. What qualities are most important to you in a winner? I'm looking for the best strategic/social player. So somebody who eliminated people based on what was best for them, without pissing them off too much. Someone who was convincing throughout the game and who was dedicated. Finally, a good social player, who was able to support a conversation.
5. Who would you like to see here next? Now that Tess is immune, I'd like to see Yvette or Wyatt here next. But I'm scared for Luca.
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Post by quincy on Mar 26, 2013 19:25:56 GMT -5
What exactly happened, in the last few moments before the last Judgement? (Tess' question). Do you have any idea, Wyatt?
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Post by wyatt on Mar 26, 2013 20:07:36 GMT -5
Haha I certainly do. But Tess had very little to do with it but obviously Tess and I were close and I didn't really get to explain what was happening.
I contacted the host and asked him to make sure he waited until 7:30 to read votes (even if all other votes come in) Vincent messaged me and wanted to work something out, he said Luca/me/him/Tess could vote together so this was at like 7:15 so I asked who he wanted to vote and he never responded again so I was confused as to why he just contacted me to switch things and then just didn't even respond or anything so I just asked the host to wait and read results just in case Vincent did get back To me. There really was no reason to yank my chain about it since there was literally nothing I could do to change votes around or anything so I just didn't get it. But because Tess and I are close then I think maybe host thought she was more involved than she actually was.
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Post by wyatt on Mar 26, 2013 20:45:46 GMT -5
Oh btw when I left I said 'I'm not gonna make a long speech freaking out on people' cause I just don't like that and I don't call people names and stuff but Tess said I should do a Dallas parody (she asked in the public chat, not secretly or anything to be mean) so I said I would. So I left it and Perry thinks it's real cause I forgot only Napa knew about Dallas' freak out which makes it all the more funny IMO
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Post by stephenie on Mar 26, 2013 21:39:48 GMT -5
1. Who do you think has played the best game of the 7 remaining? 2. Who do you think played the best game of the jurors? 3. Is there anyone left who you think is underrated? Overrated? 4. What qualities are most important to you in a winner? 5. Who would you like to see here next?
1. I'd say that Jessica has played the best game. She has the most allies and the most people who are genuinely loyal to her. She has the Cascades and she has Luca. I also know she has a strong deal with Yvette. Regardless of how the rest of the votes will go, Jessica will be in the final 3.
2. If I can include myself, then me. I was idol'd out and I truly believe I'd be right there in the end with the rest of them if I wasn't. If I can't pick me, then Quincy because if Quincy didn't waste his Idol on Beau, he could have used it at the final 10 to get himself to the final 9. Then been on a winning Immunity team and got himself to the final 7. Plus, I think he made a lot of good personal relationships.
3. Overrated is probably Luca. At this point, I don't think he's really done that much. I think Yvette is the most underrated. She's smart and she knows what she's doing even if she does come off sheepish and UTR.
4. The qualities most important for me is someone who was constantly present and made impacts in this game.
5. I wanna see Luca here next. I like him a lot personally and outside of the game but inside the game, I have a lot of mixed emotions about him.
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Post by quincy on Mar 26, 2013 22:28:50 GMT -5
I feel like Luca has been playing an amazing game. The way the guy can make connections is remarkable.
First, he instigated (with others) the Dallas boot, seeing how these girls were annoying, controlling, and very close. He was able to understand that sticking with his Day 1 alliance was not intelligent for him as he had strong relationships with Gloria and myself (I also think he was close to Beau, Wyatt, and Nick but I can't know for sure). It was intelligent because these girls were shady as shit and he knew he'd be getting a high position on the totem pole by going against Dallas.
I also must say that he is pretty much the one who made sure Hannah got the boot at the merge which, I think, was smart for him. He had ties with Cascade in Jessica, Steph, and Yvette, and he knew Tess/Hannah's vindictive nature would get the best of him soon if he were to go with them. I also have to say that he was the one big factor behind my vote that TC - which turned out to be the swing vote.
I also think he used his prize very, very well if you think about the fact that some votes came his way the Judgement before and that his tight alliance with Gloria and I seemed to be losing some control. It didn't prevent him to keep his strong relationships and make sure he was there for the later rounds.
Just look at last Judgement! You have got this 6-person alliance who had been eliminating the other for 3 Judgements now and, although his strong jury connections, his grest social game, his strategic mind, and the 2 immunities he had won before, he was able to stay. THAT is proof he's a good player. The fact that Jessica decided to keep him over Wyatt is impressive, as he appears to be her biggest threat.
This proves Luca is able of a lot through his social game. Indon't know about you all, but he was, to me, one of the mostmapproachable people in this game. He jad ties with almost everybody without them gunning for him well enough to eliminatehim. His gameplay has been very interesting to watch and I think that if he were to make the F3, he would deserve to win the game.
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Post by wyatt on Mar 26, 2013 22:41:35 GMT -5
I do want to say. There was no 6 person alliance that Im aware of. I did talk to Cascade people quite a bit but I never solidified anything really with them except with Stephenie/Yvette/Tess/Me and the only reason I did that was because I never talked to the Napa people anymore. Plus when my name came up at final 11 to go, Luca and you seemed so passive about it and were like "I heard you but maybe Ill hear something else" type deal, that I thought "well obviously they aren't trying very hard to keep me around so Im for sure better off with Cascade who whether or not it was true, was at least saying "no we don't want you to go, were not voting you!" I couldn't take what they said as 100% obviously, but Napa just didn't seem like it didn't matter one way or another if I left or stayed. So I thought it was better to take a shot.
I did have one really good conversation with Luca in the game about a personal life issue he was going through and when we discussed it later he seemed to have no idea what I was talking about so Idk if he was just making up having a problem or what but it was very confusing
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Post by quincy on Mar 28, 2013 18:14:58 GMT -5
Wow, Jessica won. This girl sure has been playing an impressive game.
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Post by wyatt on Mar 29, 2013 0:06:23 GMT -5
From the look of things Perry will be the next one joining us here in the jury house since he is targeting someone publicly who is immuned. That's never a good sign.
Or maybe Perry is mad about Jessica calling him a DNA guzzling whore?
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Post by quincy on Mar 29, 2013 16:56:50 GMT -5
Yvette is a pathetic useless bitch. How dumb of her to insulte me in public that way? The fact that Jessica controlled the game is a known fact. I really am happy to see Perry wanting to make a move for his OWN game. Who cares if you're a good ally if you all you are worth is a vote?
And insulting me, and my game, is sad. Just before I was eliminated, I PMed Yvette for the first time, and that's what she did - trash my gameplay. I know my game had flaws, but that shows me what a dumb person she is. THAT's her strategic/social skills??? And talking abiut socializing as if she KNEW who socialized and who didn't infuriates me. Her computer problems isolated her from most of the social game. She basically had no idea who the fuck was or wasn't sociable. That was her strategic place as well - the girl who's never there, that you PM to vote and hope she does so the wa you hope. It must have changed since but still. She upsets me greatly, and I feel like I'm the only one who feels that way.
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Post by wyatt on Mar 29, 2013 17:06:38 GMT -5
I mean I thought it was really uncalled for. She did specifically call you out but also kinda threw in there that the jury is all bitter and stuff because we all played poorly or at least that's what I took out of it. And Yvette was social on Belbaja, we talked a lot. But by the end with her computer problems, we didn't talk much at all despite being a F4 alliance, it was just a message right near the vote of "lets vote _____" and then hoping she did that
We did talk after your vote and especially after Beaus vote and I feel like Yvette felt insulted that you didn't make an effort to speak to her until right at the point that you needed her vote. Which to her I guess was like, she wasn't a good enough player to work with before and then she became even more upset when Beau told her to do something because Yvette was doing a lot before her computer issue and she just felt like people who haven't made an effort to talk to her shouldn't judge her and say she isn't doing anything.......
Im not saying that's how I feel, Im just saying when she and I talked, that's what I got out it
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Post by wyatt on Mar 29, 2013 17:14:53 GMT -5
And I think she felt like you and Beau shared a similar opinion (especially since you saved him with the idol) so Beaus rant only made her more upset with you. Which I wish she hadn't taken to heart because everyone knew Beaus rant was untrue and overall just pretty stupid, but it did upset her quite a bit
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Post by quincy on Mar 29, 2013 17:15:08 GMT -5
Yeah I understand your point. I feel like Yvette was such a big player pre-merge and she still feels that way when, from what I've witnessed, she became a VERY tangential player post-merge - something we objectively need to evaluate as a whole and not REALLY take her computer problems into consideration.
I mean, yes, it was a mistake on my part to not talk to her earlier. But we're not judging ME here. It was a mistake on her part as well. When I was in the chat, talking to most people on a daily basis and she wasn't there, THAT's a bad social game. And she should have found a way to contact me, as she knew she was the one with the problem.
She just pisses me off. If she makes the F3, I COULD have voted for her if I had learned important information about her game. But she showed me incompetent strategy, deficient social game, and a bad physical game.
I really can't respect her.
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Post by beau on Mar 29, 2013 22:46:15 GMT -5
What exactly is this "rant" you speak of? My post after I got voted off was clearly way after Quincy left, so I think she is just blowing smoke. She was just as anti-social with me...I constantly sent her PMs to learn what she was all about, and she kept voting against me...so I really cant respect anything she says....
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